On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> ufo 23.jpg

Genuine unknown.

Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
1957.

One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> ufo 23.jpg

Genuine unknown.

Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
1957.

One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.

Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
$R63.52451@pd7urf1no:

> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> ufo 23.jpg
>
> Genuine unknown.
>
> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
> 1957.
>
> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>
>
>

This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
glitches, sufficient detail.

The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm

Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
$R63.52451@pd7urf1no:

> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> ufo 23.jpg
>
> Genuine unknown.
>
> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
> 1957.
>
> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>
>
>

This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
glitches, sufficient detail.

The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
> $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>
>> Genuine unknown.
>>
>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
>> 1957.
>>
>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
> glitches, sufficient detail.

And all verified by the Brazilian military and government.

>
> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm

Well .... not really. That is a notorious rip-off site, and not very
credible overall. The video, after extensive analysis, was proven to be
digitally fabricated, using sophisticated video-game techniques and
algorithms. In fact, it was ufologist video-game aficionados who first
suggested that as the solution.

Well, as is said, "It only takes /one/!"


Al Grey

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
> $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>
>> Genuine unknown.
>>
>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
>> 1957.
>>
>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
> glitches, sufficient detail.

And all verified by the Brazilian military and government.

>
> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm

Well .... not really. That is a notorious rip-off site, and not very
credible overall. The video, after extensive analysis, was proven to be
digitally fabricated, using sophisticated video-game techniques and
algorithms. In fact, it was ufologist video-game aficionados who first
suggested that as the solution.

Well, as is said, "It only takes /one/!"


Al Grey

Al Grey > wrote in news:oREnh.557578
$5R2.161879@pd7urf3no:

> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
>> $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>
>>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>>
>>> Genuine unknown.
>>>
>>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
>>> 1957.
>>>
>>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
>> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
>> glitches, sufficient detail.
>
> And all verified by the Brazilian military and government.
>

I remember reading about nearly identical
UFO sightings by Himilayans and Andean villagers,
describing the same craft at the same time that
also defied explanation back in the early 1970's,
IIRC.


>>
>> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
>> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm
>
> Well .... not really. That is a notorious rip-off site, and not very
> credible overall. The video, after extensive analysis, was proven to be
> digitally fabricated, using sophisticated video-game techniques and
> algorithms. In fact, it was ufologist video-game aficionados who first
> suggested that as the solution.


I hadn't heard that. Makes you wonder about the
motives of such laborious fabricators. Throwing a
hubcap in the air and taking a picture is one thing,
but.........

Al Grey > wrote in news:oREnh.557578
$5R2.161879@pd7urf3no:

> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>
>> Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
>> $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>>
>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>
>>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>>
>>> Genuine unknown.
>>>
>>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
>>> 1957.
>>>
>>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
>> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
>> glitches, sufficient detail.
>
> And all verified by the Brazilian military and government.
>

I remember reading about nearly identical
UFO sightings by Himilayans and Andean villagers,
describing the same craft at the same time that
also defied explanation back in the early 1970's,
IIRC.


>>
>> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
>> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm
>
> Well .... not really. That is a notorious rip-off site, and not very
> credible overall. The video, after extensive analysis, was proven to be
> digitally fabricated, using sophisticated video-game techniques and
> algorithms. In fact, it was ufologist video-game aficionados who first
> suggested that as the solution.


I hadn't heard that. Makes you wonder about the
motives of such laborious fabricators. Throwing a
hubcap in the air and taking a picture is one thing,
but.........

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:58:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Al Grey > wrote in news:oREnh.557578
> $5R2.161879@pd7urf3no:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
>>> $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Genuine unknown.
>>>>
>>>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
>>>> 1957.
>>>>
>>>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
>>> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
>>> glitches, sufficient detail.
>>
>> And all verified by the Brazilian military and government.
>>
>
> I remember reading about nearly identical
> UFO sightings by Himilayans and Andean villagers,
> describing the same craft at the same time that
> also defied explanation back in the early 1970's,
> IIRC.

The Himalayan sounds familiar, but the Andean one was good, photos of
multiple objects with excellent clarity. And then the entire valley and
all the witnesses perished in a large earthquake.


>
>
>
>>> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
>>> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm
>>
>> Well .... not really. That is a notorious rip-off site, and not very
>> credible overall. The video, after extensive analysis, was proven to be
>> digitally fabricated, using sophisticated video-game techniques and
>> algorithms. In fact, it was ufologist video-game aficionados who first
>> suggested that as the solution.
>
>
> I hadn't heard that. Makes you wonder about the
> motives of such laborious fabricators. Throwing a hubcap in the air and
> taking a picture is one thing, but.........


Yeah, rather annoying, especially the wasted time trying to prove the
fakery.

Here's an /excellent/ historical site that seems to cover everything. If
it's there, it's well-researched and very credible stuff:


http://www.nicap.org/

On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:58:55 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:

> Al Grey > wrote in news:oREnh.557578
> $5R2.161879@pd7urf3no:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 21:18:04 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> Al Grey > wrote in news:1NDnh.562881
>>> $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Genuine unknown.
>>>>
>>>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY ship,
>>>> 1957.
>>>>
>>>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
>>> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
>>> glitches, sufficient detail.
>>
>> And all verified by the Brazilian military and government.
>>
>
> I remember reading about nearly identical
> UFO sightings by Himilayans and Andean villagers,
> describing the same craft at the same time that
> also defied explanation back in the early 1970's,
> IIRC.

The Himalayan sounds familiar, but the Andean one was good, photos of
multiple objects with excellent clarity. And then the entire valley and
all the witnesses perished in a large earthquake.


>
>
>
>>> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
>>> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm
>>
>> Well .... not really. That is a notorious rip-off site, and not very
>> credible overall. The video, after extensive analysis, was proven to be
>> digitally fabricated, using sophisticated video-game techniques and
>> algorithms. In fact, it was ufologist video-game aficionados who first
>> suggested that as the solution.
>
>
> I hadn't heard that. Makes you wonder about the
> motives of such laborious fabricators. Throwing a hubcap in the air and
> taking a picture is one thing, but.........


Yeah, rather annoying, especially the wasted time trying to prove the
fakery.

Here's an /excellent/ historical site that seems to cover everything. If
it's there, it's well-researched and very credible stuff:


http://www.nicap.org/

Mitchell Holman > wrote in
:

> Al Grey > wrote in
> news:1NDnh.562881 $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>
>> Genuine unknown.
>>
>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY
>> ship, 1957.
>>
>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
> glitches, sufficient detail.

Check out:

http://www.geocities.com/airsmither/trind.htm

http://www.ceticismoaberto.hpg.ig.com.br/trind/trind_en.htm


> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm

Delivered anonymously to a TV station a few days after the supposed
incident, which then received lots of "eyewitness" reports only
after they ran the tape.

The position of the footage was effectively determined to be from a
high rise building housing a video editing business. Analysis of the
tape showed distinct interlacing from the UFO, indicating it was
dubbed onto the skyline footage.

Not to mention the goofy precession of the object that makes it
look like a spinning model dangling from a string...


- Al.

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Mitchell Holman > wrote in
:

> Al Grey > wrote in
> news:1NDnh.562881 $R63.52451@pd7urf1no:
>
>> On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 19:35:41 -0600, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>> ufo 23.jpg
>>
>> Genuine unknown.
>>
>> Trindade Island off the Brazilian coast, witnessed by crew of IGY
>> ship, 1957.
>>
>> One of the 2 most solid photographic cases on record.
>>
>>
>>
>
> This is the one the debunkers have the most trouble
> with, true enough. Many witnesses, all credible, no camera
> glitches, sufficient detail.

Check out:

http://www.geocities.com/airsmither/trind.htm

http://www.ceticismoaberto.hpg.ig.com.br/trind/trind_en.htm


> The Mexico City one (ufo 18) is also has has good
> credibility. http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case864.htm

Delivered anonymously to a TV station a few days after the supposed
incident, which then received lots of "eyewitness" reports only
after they ran the tape.

The position of the footage was effectively determined to be from a
high rise building housing a video editing business. Analysis of the
tape showed distinct interlacing from the UFO, indicating it was
dubbed onto the skyline footage.

Not to mention the goofy precession of the object that makes it
look like a spinning model dangling from a string...


- Al.

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